The comment so often thrown at Police as we haul the latest public order / minor assault arrestee away from their loved ones is “Why don’t you go out and arrest some proper criminals like murderers and rapists.” This makes it sound like there is some large pool of murderers and rapists that we could be bothering instead. There is no such pool and the arrest rates for murder and rape are pretty good. We put a lot of time and effort into murder and rape. I think people want us to do that. That cynical comment from the public is however a pointer. There is clearly a perception abroad that we work only to meet arrest and detection targets. There are meant to be desperate coppers thirsting to meet their monthly detections allocations and thereby criminalising matters that should have been left with a word of advice. A lot of people seem to feel that the Criminal Justice System has stopped producing any justice.
On a totally unscientific sample of readers over the weekend, one of the reasons for the developing fracture between the Police and the policed is the strongly felt perception that in order to meet arrest targets we tend to go after the easiest targets. I don’t think this is the case. I think the truth is that we are going after targets we never have before and some of them are very easy to pot because they comply. They comply because they are decent folk who don’t know any better.
At the risk of repeating myself, let me once again rail against the National Crime Recording Standard (N.C.R.S.) and the resultant automatic criming of many trivial incidents. This happened because those who govern the nation, those who control the law and those who manage us do not trust us. Why should they? We went political for Mrs. T over the miner’s strike, we generally don’t vote to the left, we tend towards an un-nuanced view of politicians’ expenses claims, we are harsh and blaming towards criminals and sceptical of non-custodial interventions. there are reasons enough. They began to suspect correctly that we cuffed crime. Here are some anecdotal examples.
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When I joined 15 years ago, it was acceptable to attend an incident of domestic violence where there had clearly been an assault and to mark it off as “no complaint” and “advice given.”
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There were towns where there were no windows broken by criminal damage, only accidents where a stone must have been thrown up from the road by a passing car. In 1994 I was bollocked by a local DS for criming such a broken window even though the window was broken with a thrown car jack.
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Youths attending certain stations would be offered bail in exchange for writing off a certain number of crimes. We weren’t too ethical about whether they did them or not, we just used “Taken Into Consideration” offences to bulk out the detected crime figures.
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Playground fights that the participants walked away from were never ever crimed. Heck where there had been any minor assault that was basically an agreed fight, we would hold off writing up the crime report, speak to both sides and see if we could persuade them to drop the matter, then write it all off as advice given.
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Excellent local performance in detections or in crime reduction could be the result of a little local book cooking. A new Detective Sergeant would realise that abandoning the bad old ways might mean a crime figures catastrophe that they would be blamed for. The system was thus to some extent self perpetuating.
Now perception is important, and over time, what with the McPherson Report and the like, those who employ and manage us became convinced that we were unfairly ignoring and otherwise failing to deal with crime allegations from minority groups and other socially disadvantaged types. They looked for a way to ensure that everybody got a fair shake of the stick and so was born the hated database specification and control procedures that we call N.C.R.S. It was signed by ACPO in April 2001 and fully implemented by 2002. It was designed, and has grown, to be an auditable straightjacket of procedures designed to ensure that every crime from a slap in the face to a bullet in the head got treated the same. Report, Record, Investigate, Arrest, Detect. Thus it was that the detection became King.
These are the principles in it.
2.1 All reports of incidents, whether from victims, witnesses or third parties and whether crime related or not, will result in the registration of an incident report by the police.
2.2 Following the initial registration, an incident will be recorded as a crime (notifiable offence) if, on the balance of probability:
(a) the circumstances as reported amount to a crime defined by law (the police will determine this, based on their knowledge of the law and counting rules), and
(b) there is no credible evidence to the contrary.
2.3 Once recorded, a crime would remain recorded unless there was additional verifiable information to disprove that a crime had occurred.
Note the language “will result in the registration of an incident report” “will be recorded as a crime.” You can take it from me that from 2002 onwards, Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary absolutely hammered any Constabulary that did not have such a system in place. From then on, it was just a matter of time and ever increasing criminalisation of behaviours. As soon as Tracey realised that she could get “That slag Donna” properly locked up with a phone call complaint, guess what Tracey did? Better than going on Jeremy Kyle, nearly as much fun as Springer UK. Every green biro merchant and bitter ex with a grudge now generates an incident report and if the facts in the report can be shoe-horned into a crime, a crime is recorded and allocated to some an officer who is tasked to investigate it. That officer must either solve it or write it off somehow. The system of compliance auditing has tightened so much that even the old sweats (5+ years) with a black belt in writing off rubbish jobs find it is now more work to write jobs off than run them to conclusion. Writing a lot of jobs off is not a career move either.
So when your 12 year old daughter gets arrested for a playground fight, it likely isn’t some keen officer thirsting for an easy conviction to round off the month. It may be, but the likelihood is that for the officer it is just another complaint ground out of the N.C.R.S. sausage machine and s/he just wants to get it dealt with so they can move on to the next one.
Computer Says Lock Up

July 28, 2008 at 4:25 pm |
Government interference in the CJS is unwanted and un-needed. Yes, the Government need to have some input into the system, but not so much that it grinds to a hault. Sometimes justice is best sreved with a little common sense.
We now have situations where on Monday morning Jenny is before ths Sheriff for assaulting her partner Brian and on Monday afternoon Brian appears before the same Sheriff for assaulting his partner Jenny. Both get found not guilty (see some real life examples at http://scotslaw.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/the-verdict/) and the whole thing has wasted a good few hours of court time, countless hours of COPFS and police time when really a bit of “advice” from the police might have been the most appropriate course of action.
July 28, 2008 at 4:50 pm |
[...] interesting entry on the National Crime Recording Standard and it is worth reading (and can be read here). I want to take the above quote and look at it from a different angle – be warned this is going [...]
July 28, 2008 at 5:18 pm |
And for those interested in figures for England and Wales in 2006/7 -
Homicide: Offences 755, detection rate 86%
More serious wounding: Offences 17,281 detection rate 44%
Rape: Offences 12,630, detection rate 25%
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/hosb1507.pdf pages 12,13
NCRS joins MTAS on my list of really, really, dumb ideas. Take a situation with a minor but clearly visible problem. Create an expensive computer system and bureacracy to make the situation so much worse.
July 28, 2008 at 6:29 pm |
I remember my Chief Inspector telling me that my role was to solve and sort out problems using the law and common sense. That worked fine until they stopped me using my common sense. It was about then that I realised I was just a robot programmed to behave in only one way, by the book. It was also when I realised that I could not wait to retire.
July 28, 2008 at 7:03 pm |
Went to a mental health home where kids with sever mental health and challenging behaviour live. These kids are very ill and are drugged to the eye balls 24/7.
Staff went on holiday leaving a temp agency nurse in charge of one patient ( the others had been farmed out so that they could have the proper level of care etc). This lass had no idea what she had booked herself for – forgot to give one lass her dose of calm pills and within a few hours called us out. She had covered her room in feaces and when she had gone to see what was up she was pushed in the chest and the patient ran starkers into the bathroom.
We turn up and the agency nurse has called her boss who says that she has to make a complaint of assualt and so we have to arrest the patient and take her away.
One peek into the bathroom and said patient is rocking back and forth covered in their own filth and in tears. See’s two big coppers and just freezes in fear and lets her bowels go.
My first thought is literally “Sh**” my second is ” There is no way on this green earth an I nicking her.”
I tell the nurse to clean the patient up while I’m on the phone to the agency boss – who starts telling me I have to arrest the patient or else they will complain to my boss!!! Well a few choice words later, back onto the Em Social and they start with the arrest thing. I tell them no way and that they had better get another nurse down here to help the first ( who is doing brilliantly with the patient but I can tell that with 2 here they would stand a chance) and if they don’t we’ll be putting in a complaint of neglect.
This got crimed by our IMU and I had to type a three page report basically refusing to criminalise a lass who was very ill for something that she did because of her illness. It would of only been a S39 at worse. Still got op. advice regarding NCRS ( and the letter of thanks from the agency nurse was simply ignored…)
As far as I am concerned I will do it the old way – what are they going to do – bin me to response! It’s where the real coppers want to be any way .
July 28, 2008 at 7:22 pm |
Oh dear. I thought policing was about people but it seems to be about writing on bits of paper and getting the numbers right. Bring back Dixon of Dock Green I say¬ See you at the hooley on sunday
July 28, 2008 at 8:01 pm |
Domestics Disputes, Damage and Common Assaults.
When I joined in the mid 1970s common assault was not crimeable and the Police did not deal with it. If ‘Tracey’ slapped ‘Sharon’ for being ‘bang out of order’ and a ‘dinny slag’, Sharon’s only recourse was to go to the local Mags Court and swear out a summons for Tracey to go to Court. This was the same if husband slapped wife, or wife slapped husband or if Billy punched Johnny in the playground. There had to be some injury or mark before the Police could act,
Public Order had a power of arrest if ‘found committing’ and only if there was the intent or liklihood that it would result in a Breach of the Peace. Like the ‘new’ 1986 Public Order Act it did not work inside a dwelling, only in a street or public place.
For years criminal damage under the value of £20 was not crimeable (when I joined £20 was half a weeks pay for a PC (with rent allowance and boot allowance)
All the stories about Police not dealing with domestics and crap assaults in the past was true, because they couldn’t
July 28, 2008 at 8:21 pm |
Aunt Maz, you do know Dixon of dock green never existed?
I posted my view about NCRS back in April, the insane thing is the information about it is so easy to come by and its conclusions are so obvious that it simply amazes me that the papers don’t beat the government more with it, especially in the current blood in the water climate. As usual we take the stick for something imposed on us by a government wanting to please everyone all the time and instead created a system that pleases no one, makes us look like shite and makes for a great estate soap and nothing more.
July 28, 2008 at 9:11 pm |
See you Sunday Aunt Maz.
And MCM, yes she knows
(Teacher, JP, V wise indeed)
July 28, 2008 at 10:30 pm |
Good post on this never-dying topic. I posted a while back about how the government did a report into NCRS and worked out it would cost something like 3000 extra police hours each year, just for officers to actually generate the extra crime reports, let alone the hours spent actually investigating the extra crimes. If people really knew what goes on… has anyone else noticed that Common Assault has now been replaced with Assault Without Injury? This means that any assault where there is a tiny tiny injury, will have to go down as an ABH. This will mean more prosecutions being pursued for very minor assaults, because ABH figures count as “violent crime”. It’s all one great big cauldron.
July 28, 2008 at 11:03 pm |
Funny thing, most reports are crimed, but if some (for example) fat squaddie gets found with 7 shades of shit beaten out of them, there is no crime number – just a quick trip to the nearest barracks and a night in the guardroom cells. Ah well, at least we get paid really really really well for doing a fairly (very) shitty job…
Not that I’m bitter….
FS
July 29, 2008 at 2:03 am |
I have little service and have only known N.C.R.S. but have always suspected it was flawed. I get annoyed when one ex-partner calls to report “crimes” just to get their ex-partner arrested. They don’t care if it ends up being NFA’d, just so long as then can go to Family Court and argue in their custody battle about how often their ex has been arrested. It makes me feels so used and I try hard not to crime these incidents unless it’s absolutely necessary. I’d hate to be the cause of someone loosing their kids.
On the other hand, I hear stories about how domestic incidents used to be “investigated” and shudder.
So there is good and bad.
July 29, 2008 at 9:22 am |
Funny (but not) how the ‘Standard’ in the NCRS has actually ended up lowering them … socially and organisationally.
And our ‘Victim Focus’ is anything but. Focused that is. Everything is just a blur. Thank goodness for alcohol.
July 29, 2008 at 11:35 am |
Must pick up on “We went political for Mrs. T over the miner’s strike, “. As you only joined 15 years ago you must have got that impression from “the outside”. Go back in history to Scargill’s Flying Pickets who forced West Midlands to close Saltley Coke Works (I think that is right location). The Police had been forced to give in to the mob because we were not organised. Well, we got organised so that Mutual Aid units did the same training, bosses had the same training, and we were not going to have to back down again. This was before the Thatcher Government ever got into power. Come the next big Miners’ strike and we had learned the lesson. Scargill had not and tried to force the closure of Orgreave, and lost.
Lots of coppers voted for the Tories in 1979 because Willie Whitelaw promised to pay 15% Pay Rise that we had been denied in the previous September. When he imposed the 11% Pension contribution without any consultation many changed back to the left-leanings they had been raised with.
Nothing is a simple as the Daily Mail tries to make out!
July 29, 2008 at 1:28 pm |
Ex copper- I wasn’t in the job duing the first miners strike but was at Orgreave and other locations during the next one. As someone who has always (but will never again) voted Labour there is no doubt in my mind that Mrs T used us to break the back of the trade union movement, assisted by the imcompetence of the NUM leadership.
For those of us looking forward to Mr C entering number 10 remember what the Tories tried to so with Sheehy Report, none of them can be trusted- as MCM outlined in his first ever post no one really likes the sheepdogs, we are a necessary evil that are at best tolerated but occasionally need to be slapped to keep us in place.
July 29, 2008 at 1:51 pm |
So why is getting glassed over the head not deemed ‘crimeable’ by my local force? (Sorry to repeat myself, that was what I asked in my first ever post on a (ahem) police blog)
July 30, 2008 at 5:32 am |
Quit? QUIT?
Are you mad?
They’re all counting down the days to the big juicy pension (index-linked, payable from 50, for just a 10% contribution).
No one EVER quits the police until they’ve done their 30.
Yes, the police blogs are all very whiney, but NJ’s whining is very well written and he does engage with the commentors.
July 30, 2008 at 6:35 am |
Hibbo@17, I think you are being very unfair. Im not a regular but I think that most police deserve their pension after 30 years. I have learnt very quickly in my 2 years as a special that the police get sworn at, punched, kicked, spat at, generally abused day in, day out (well the front line cops do!). Considering they also have to pay (actually isnt it 11% of salary?) into the pension pot, I think that a nice pension after 30 years is well deserved.
I am ex-navy and did 28 years. As a rank and file serviceman/woman you have to do 22yrs from the age of 18 minimum to get out pension, and dont have to pay 11% of our salary into it. I left as a Warrant Officer at the age of 45, not enough pension to retire on at that age but it more than pays the mortage.
Yes these blogs are a good way of having a whine, but any job you can think of, everyone has something to complain about. Dont forget these blogs also allow officers to get their frustations out of their systems. They want to be able to catch and lock up scumbags. Not go through the whole business of pandering to what the government of the day wants so that said government can get a few extra votes (or fleece the public of yet more money). And especially to pander to minority single interest groups who are not interested in the common good. Most cops, whether they do 5 years, 10 years, or 30 years join with every good intention. Unfortunately, something somewhere has gone horribly wrong and that is down to poor management and leadership from the top.
July 30, 2008 at 8:36 am |
Jose@18,
I am not slagging off the police’s pension, not at all, merely stating that it is a cracker. I don’t begrudge them it, it’s certainly not a career I would choose (but maybe that’s because I don’t have an inferiority complex, do not have a grudge against society, am not an egotistical power-tripper and am comfortable with the size of my sexual organs). I did 9 years in the RAF, so know about the pension; I have a lot of mates who’ve been in (the RAF) for 16-20 years and absolutely HATE it now, they can’t get out because they’re in the pension trap (sadly I also know people who’ve done barely 10-11 years and are already in the mindset of “got to see it out”) – I don’t think it’s much of a leap to say the same applies to coppers.
July 30, 2008 at 10:21 am |
I do love the way you can pretty much garuntee any commenter that says “Show some guts and integrity” always pretends they know how a lot about the police.
Clearly, they have little to no idea of how any disciplined service works. Here’s a hint: If you actively defy orders, you get fined, fired or imprisoned (or a combination of the three). And guess what, even if you do take the hit and stand up you won’t change the system.
We’ve already established only those at the top can change things, and even they are beholden to the Home Office to a large degree (the home office is currently trying to increase their level of control over the top ranks via the chief cons being directly home office appointed).
July 30, 2008 at 1:01 pm |
Hibbo wrote: ” maybe that’s because I don’t have an inferiority complex, do not have a grudge against society, am not an egotistical power-tripper and am comfortable with the size of my sexual organs”
Maybe you want to add – bullied at school, racist (innit) and then bring us right back to Nightjack’s original post “Why don’t you go out and arrest some proper criminals like murderers and rapists.”
I thought I had a couple of days before the weekend’s abuse was going to begin.
Ho-hum – I love night shift….
July 30, 2008 at 1:21 pm |
I would but you can’t edit your posts here…
July 30, 2008 at 7:19 pm |
Where to start…YLAALOH is likely referring to the infamous “Blue Flu”
On 1st May 1998 80-85% of the Garda (Irish Police) Constables phoned in sick as part of a pay dispute. A shameful desertion of those they swore to serve IMO but so it goes.
The service was made up by Cadets and Sergeants, Inspectors and above. The Army was on standby.
It isn’t about the pay YLAALOH. It is about the way we are being used. It is about saying that things are bad and sometimes how we think they could be done better. I come from a standpoint of policing by consent and a belief that keeping the peace and investigating crime is a worthwhile thing for me to do. Your writing seems to be as good an example as I have seen of a growing fracture between policing and the policed.
You apparently have a notion that it is wrong or immoral somehow for Police Bloggers to argue for changes from the inside and publicise our views as best we can outside the organisation.
I strongly suspect that you will never find the motives of police bloggers meet your standards of purity and you are looking for an argument and to throw around some abuse rather than a debate.
Lets see if I’m right
July 30, 2008 at 7:19 pm |
you lot are a lot of hypocrites
Imagine you are in the Police perhaps with 10 years of pension and 20 (or more now?) to go. When you joined it was not too bad but now the Govt are making all sorts of rash promises about what the public can expect from the Police. The shift is understrengthed, you are too busy to take a meal break. A simple shoplifter which should take an hour to deal with, takes most of the day because of the endemic red tape and bureaucracy. The crime reporting system is skewed so that two kids fighting in the playground generates a crime that can only be dealt with by arresting one or both of the participants. You still want to make a difference, but you have no chance because you are too busy dealing with juvenile crime, drunken domestics and drug addicts.
You are still in the job for the right reasons and you still want to make a difference.
So what would you do?
July 30, 2008 at 8:12 pm |
Poster No. 23, thanks for confirming my opinion of your “Knowledge and Experience”…
July 30, 2008 at 9:32 pm |
Hibbo,
Thanks I think I now have a good strap line
“NightJack – Whining Eloquently Since February 2008″
July 31, 2008 at 8:57 am |
Whilst I don’t always agree with the Police bloggers, I’m very grateful to the likes of Nightjack, Gadget and Copperfield for giving us a view of what the “Police Service” is actually like.
NJ isn’t “whinging” ; he just tells it like it is (assuming he is a he ….)
July 31, 2008 at 12:35 pm |
“(assuming he is a he ….)”
NightJaqui?
July 31, 2008 at 12:35 pm |
Or NightJacqui even…
I’ll just stop now.
July 31, 2008 at 1:19 pm |
Re YLAALOH
“I strongly suspect that you will never find the motives of police bloggers meet your standards of purity and you are looking for an argument and to throw around some abuse rather than a debate.
Lets see if I’m right”
It appears I was right.